Misty Vs. Dawn | Bulbagarden
Some people may have found Zoey bland,but i beg to differ.Her tomboyish and arrogant persona in start gave life to rivalry she had with Dawn eventually becoming her mentor partially which guided her during whole quest giving tips and constructive criticism.This left good mark on Dawn character because thanks to Zoey arrogance and higher skill she had someone wanting to catch up with,serving as push and motivation to go forward paying of in end winning second place in GF.
Kenny had something going on for him and shared past with Dawn already knowing her,and i liked chemistry they had. Too bad he wasn't focused on more.
As for Misty i agree with others how she didn't got enough focus but given writers inexperience and formula which anime used to follow before, Misty got some great focus and development . Like providing humor and great chemistry between group, had several notable achievements and aside from battling did many other things which influenced plot in one way or another. I had no problems with her role in Kanto and OI, but in Johto writers really should have focused more on her story not being done as much as it was possible unfortunately.
Personally i believe she was one of most complex characters we had too.She had sweet and sensitive but also hotheaded and bratty side with some balance being provided between it with character giving us often insight in personal struggles.
Later down the road as she started to gradually mature,different sides of personality and quirks were revealed showing that character had much more to it than only temper gaining with time more substance.
Development didn't happened on consistent basis like it was case with May and Dawn, but Misty got some great growth since Kanto days both as person and trainer .Especially in Master Quest starting from Whirl Cup being followed up with some cool stuff happening in Hoenn. Second half of Johto and AG were definitely among highlights of Misty character.
Out of pokemon i liked Psyduck, Corsola and Staryu the most(Gyarados too, if counting AG). Admittedly having Staryu and its evolved form was strange but i found this interesting and unique, and it made kinda sense too since they are her signature pokemon in games.
Personally im interested in seeing both Misty and Dawn again. It would be nice to get some info on Dawn travels in Hoenn, what might have changed etc. Sam for Misty being welcomed to get some update how much she improved, if she made some progress toward her goal etc.
Both characters have potential to offer more to show. Some more, some less but that's beside the point.
Ya , But she easily took less Damage from Starmie if she used Confusion from the begining !
Just like I said , Hyper Beam was a Last resort Move for her !
That doesn't make any sense. So whenever someone use Hyperbeam it means how he is using last resort?
It would have been last resort if Misty used other Golduck moves proving to not be effective against Starmie. But she didn't, using Hyperbeam because she found it was most optimal move to finish of match quickly, not giving chance to opponent to regroup.
What If It was Marina Who was controlling Golduck ?
What If Marina's Psyduck was the one who get replace with Wild Golduck ?
What If she was the winner ?
Would you accept that ?
Would you say that Battle count ?
Be True to your heart because that time you would say that the battle doesn't count !
You will believe that battle to be fair cause Misty was the one who won !
Because Marina easily would have won if she was the One controlling Golduck !
Both of Misty's Pokemon were out While Marina had 2 left ! Marina had a Psyduck with full control over her power while Misty's Psyduck need Headache to use its Psychic power & can't even launch a Water Gun ! (or Swim)
If that Golduck didn't show up then Misty's defect was Inevitable !
And Misty that time would have no chance against that Golduck !
So At the end , The credit goes to that Golduck cause If Marina had it then she would easily wipe out Misty !
And Misty control it no because she had some power to attract Golduck. It Because Golduck wanted all the Girl attention .
If Marina Mistook It as her own Pokemon then it would have listen to her as well
As long As It doesn't Spot hotter Girl !
If Marina controlled wild Golduck which listened , her win over Misty would be fair as well since it would serve as proof to her knowledge about water types and skill, knowing what strategy and attacks to use. If Misty wasn't skilled not using most optimal strategy she would have still lost against Marina regardless of Golduck strength.
Good example is Brock whose skills got rusty due to passiveness and lack of training with easy lose vs inspector Joy in DP special being reflect of that.
So credit goes to Misty because it was her merit for winning battle using better strategy, since she was one which decided which attacks to use. And i suggest you to watch episode again, because it was stated how Golduck wouldn't choose Misty if it didn't had thrust in her as trainer recognizing that she has required skill to use him.
How even you compare that ????
When Ash Command Totodile to bite Kingdra Month , He Planned that !
However , Misty didn't even Planned for Quilfish to Stock on Corsola's head !
It was nothing more then her Pure luck just like the case with her Psyduck vs Ash's Kragler !
Misty herself was surprise too ! If Quilfish didn't use that move Then Wouldn't have stand a Chance !
Her Poliwhirl battle with Totodile was the only fair battle she had in Whirl cup !
Doesn't change fact that luck was involved , since many things could have gotten wrong not being known if trainer will command Kingdra hydro pump again. In other words, Ash gambled.
Also how exactly Misty win was pure luck? You would have a point if Misty couldn't have won any other way, but that's far from true. If Quilfish used water gun, Misty could have used mirror coat, since Corsola used recover even if Quilfish tackle was successful it wouldn't knock it down. And for spike cannon it would require some time before being ready to fill itself with water, and Corsola could have used spike cannon again as well.
Corsola had advantage over Quilfish thanks to better defensive move set giving her edge, with Misty winning it fairly.
May be you didn't watch that episode closely !
It was the STRONGEST Magikarp in the World that can hold its Own against Ash's Pikachu !
Dawn also was a Rocky back then as well but When Misty fought a Macargo , She was already a experience trainer !
Being strongest equals only slightly better than your average Magikarp with his stats and strength being nothing to write home about. When looking at poor move set like splash, flail or tackle Dawn or Ash lose was more humiliating than Misty against wild Macargo. Which was bigger and stronger than your average wild Macargo giving hard time to Egan Flareon too until Misty advice helped him to develop new strategy.
Princess festival was a tournament of weak girls !
Most of them just wanted a Picture with a Movie star & treated there Pokemon As pet .
Jessie who was incredibly weak in Original series able to become a finalist because of that !
Honestly the only serious battler in that tournament was Misty & Jessie !
One of them even start crying that her Dear pokemon is poisoned !
It was Misty's luck that mostly Girly Girl enter that tournament !
I mean , Even Cabernet can win that whole thing with Ash's Pokemon !
That's just your presumption, trying to imply how being girly equals weak trainer. Going by that conclusion since Dawn is by nature girly girl too, should we say how she is bad at battling too?
Princess festival tournament had big competition with there existing hundred of various competitors wanting to win that doll set at any cost. Even Misty said how hard is to be owner of one, being very important for her to win it at any cost hence reason why she entered it in first place and choose most stable team.
Passing all rounds and coming on top wasn't easy task and reason why Jessie came far as well was because she is stronger as trainer than some may think. Whenever Jessi and James battled other trainers not going after Ash and chasing Pikachu they had impressive success. Like when James being convinced how he is Moltres in "Fortune Hunters"dominating with Vicreebel over Butch and Cassidy, when he entered poke ringer, when Jessie started doing contests qualifying for DP Grand Festival etc.
Their defeats against Pikachu are not valid indication to go by how competent as trainers they are.
A Psyduck who can't swim & Can't use it's move without Psychic
A Goldeen Who have never won a Battle
A Starmie who get knock down by his opponent first Move
A Politoad who lose's focus during battle & start clapping its hand
A Horsey Who too weak to fight
And you think , They are at the equal level with Dawn's Pokemon.
Psyduck which never lost any battle, being capable of knocking down opponent with just one hit. Goldeen was rarely used being present in only 2 to 3 battles where it was used, so bad win -lose record was nothing surprising. About Starmie that's not true at all, only once he was finish by just one hit being from Giselle GRaveller breaking its gem. When battling others like Ash for instance he was hit by gust of wind, being followed by wing attack and when Pidgeotto finally used whirlwind causing Starmie core to glow pokemon still wasn't knocked down.
As for Politoad that's just a gimmick created for comedy purposes, not having any bearing on Politoad strength, It has same power as your typical evolved Poliwrath being alternate evolution form of Poliwhirl which retained same level of experience and strength becoming even stronger than Misty Poliwhirl was. When he battled brother trio his clapping didn't stand in way of battling and defeating their Hitmonchan, so you can't describe that as negative side of him.
Horsea was baby pokemon whose first battle was in Cerulean gym where he was left immediately afterwards. We don't know for what he was capable of never having chance to be used to full potential so that's invalid argument.
Out of MIsty pokemon excluding Goldeen and Horsea, all other pokemon seem more impressive to m than Dawn team. Mamoswine ad Togekiss arevdecent, Piplup is good too, and same gos for Quilava, BUt Pachirusu and BUneary arent some particularly social nor that much strong.
When looking at Misty Gyarados which is one of strongest water pokemon and its move set like flamethrower, hyper beam, protect or whirlpool already in itself make Misty team look better in comparison with some of aforementioned pokemon. Staryu proved to be one of strongest and most experienced Misty pokemon being often used already showing its strength when battling Marina Tentacruel in OI defeating it with one attack or when battling Molly upgraded Mantine in third movie holding its ground.
Politoad is one of Misty powerhouses being alternate fully evolved form of Poliwhirl proving its worth in several battles during Johto. Corsola is one of most used and best Misty battlers having more wins than loses at this point showing how strong and successful combination of her defensive and offensive techniques can be.
Plus , Whenever Her Corsola fought A new Battle opponent , It follow the same Battle Pattern !
1st, It get hit & almost unable to battle ,2nd The opponent let his guard down ,3rd Corsola surprise them with recovery ,4th Corsola hit them before they get ready.
Too bad , This trick wouldn't work on same person twice & only effective against people who doesn't know about Corsola's recovery which is why Sakura beat it in her rematch !
Last time i checked Corsola win against Quilfish wasn't on surprising opponent through recover with Harrison being prepared after that. Same goes for Trinity Gyarados against who recover wasn't needed, or Butch and Cassidy Sableye and Houndoom.
Awakening & Improving a pokemon power is A Trainer true job .
But Misty's Pokemon remain the way they were before !
Not true at all. Anyone can notice that Misty pokemon with time improved and get stronger. With Staryu it can be noticed in Johto and onwards that it became more resistant with his attack power being significantly increased. Evidence can be found in strength of its water gun for example almost defeating Ash Chikorita if she didn't dig her heels in ground and somehow stayed in game. Or when Molly Mantine used combination of whirlpool and bubblebeam with Staryu taking hit and getting himself out of it by using rapid spin in opposite direction which was Misty merit.
Sam goes for Poliwhirl who had confidence issues with Misty helping him in battle against Andreas Poliwrath to stand up for himself regaining back self esteem being able to defeat evolutionary form despite all odds.
Sam gos for Corsola which was able to take more before resorting to recover as it can be noticed in chronicles when battling Sakura or Georgio with people commenting how her Corsola improved a lot more since last time.
Misty maybe still had long way to go as trainer with there definitely existing room for improvement, but way in which she interacted with water types earning their trust(referring to Gyarados)or when encouraging them to restore confidence back(referring to Poliwhirl)showed that her character has predispositions and potential which someone needs to make a name for itself.
She maybe didn't had luxury to have many battles like Ash or some other characters did but basing on what we saw she was certainly not some low class rookie being skilled as water trainer laving positive impressions on many other trainers(especially when battling in her own element water).
p.s. I don't intend to continue on with discussion either, and while i can see your point about Misty not getting enough screen time and development i disagree about her skills as trainer being weaker than Dawn showing more experience and knowledge. In Contests Dawn would without doubt have upper hand, but in trainer battles there is no chance Misty is weaker.
